‘Dorothea The Doozy’ Small woman with a big voice

‘Dorothea The Doozy’

RTE Lyricfm – The Lyric feature

In February Ocarina’s production Dorothea The Doozy was broadcast on RTE Lyricfm with BAI and RTE sponsorship. Dorothea Herbert is the long overlooked Tipperary writer, diarist, poet and artist from Carrick on Suir. She is often compared with Jane Austen who was writing around the same time.  Scandalous affairs, romantic liaisons, fashion reports, crazy practical jokes and shocking stories of domestic violence against women in the upper classes, are all there. Unlike Austen though, Herbert was writing about real people and relations. In her ‘Retrospections of an Outcast’, written about her life from 1780 to 1806,  she reveals a unique insight into everyday society for the land-holding Herbert family and their class in Ireland.

Colourful Characters and a Hopeless Romance

Her descriptions of parties, visits to the races and seaside, a gender-fluid visitor, camp gay cousins, groping relatives, trips to relatives in Muckross in Killarney all paint a colourful unique picture of her life in Tipperary in the late 1700s. She also writes about her romantic attachment to John Roe of Rockwell who she believed she was married to ‘spiritually’, even though he never even proposed to her. Experts believe this relationship may have been a product of her vivid imagination or a literary device or that he may have been teasing her and leading her on. She seems to believe it was real and even refers to herself as Dorothea Roe.  She is a talented artist and her work has a certain cartoon quality to it. She illustrates her book with her own watercolor paintings she refers to as ‘cuts’. 

Original Inspiration – So Few Women

The idea for the Lyric feature radio documentary came from a conversation with  Dr. Jane Maxwell, Manuscripts Curator, Manuscripts and Archives Research Collections in Trinity College who says in the programme that “This is such an unusual artefact to have survived and she herself is such an unusual person- and there are so few records of women from the eighteenth century surviving anyway so that when you have somebody like her, leaving behind an artefact like this it is unprecedented, it’s unique, it’s unheralded, it’s unexpected, it is unhoped for.” 

The original handwritten and illustrated book is under her expert care in Trinity College and it felt very special to be able to look at it and at the watercolour cuts by Herbert, in the quietness of the old library building only occasionally interrupted by seagulls and excited students outside.  

Colourful Visitors Listen here to Aideen Wylde as Dorothea Herbert describing a colourful visitor

 

Carrick on Suir Social History

Dorothea Herbert was from Carrick on Suir in County Tipperary and her father Nicholas Herbert was the Church of Ireland rector there – the grounds and church are now the location of the renovated Heritage Centre. She was the eldest in the family, not very tall and not gifted in the looks department either she writes, and she often comments on other pretty girls. Some of these girls however are married off at age 15.  Herbert is a talented writer who likes to display her learning and to let us know the writers she herself has read, despite a haphazard and scrappy education. Every chapter of Retrospections begins with a quote from poets like Alexander Pope. One of her longer poems The Buckiad is possibly inspired by Popes work The Dunciad a mock heroic poem.

Carrick on Suir on the day of recording 2022

Johnny Fitzpatrick Carrick on Suir Local Historian and Herbert fan

Role of Women in 18th Century Ireland

Her memoir sheds light on the role of women and domestic life in rural Ireland in the late 1700s and early 1800s, for the Anglo Irish class. She had a huge network of relatives and friends and writes about people and cousins from Tipperary, Waterford, Galway, Killarney and Kilkenny and also in England. She writes in a time of great upheaval worldwide -the French Revolution, American War of Independence, the agrarian uprisings in Ireland and 1798 rebellion in Ireland. While these are referenced in her book and later diary extracts, her poetry and memoir are focussed mostly on her domestic world and the confined role of women as either wives or spinsters. She was deeply upset by the murder of her father’s proctor during the 1798 Rebellion. It was horrific, a double murder carried out in her own house which she must have found very traumatic. Her Retrospections were only published for the first time in 1929 and Dr Jane Maxwell believe’s she would never have expected her work to be published but would have used it as a way of explaining her mental trauma and non married status to her family.

Unique Descriptions of 18th Century Childhood

Herbert’s early recollections about her childhood are a unique resource for anyone interested in how children lived and played in that time. She describes episodes when she and her brothers got an old gardener to plant laurel trees from the garden in an attic which later collapses. She recalls dressing up as shepherds, getting drunk with other children, making beauty potions as young women and wearing masks to protect their faces from the sun.  She also tells of how her brothers tried and failed to set Mrs O’Hara the music teacher on fire , all because she beat them at cards. She describes strange visitors, wandering teachers from Italy and France who taught dancing and French and how to make soup with added frogs – which she declined. She also admires beautiful dark haired exotic visitors born in India.

Diary Fragments

Some of Dorothea’s later diary fragments, also preserved in Trinity College Library, show a woman sinking into despair, in mental distress, alone in her room and increasingly isolated from her family. The conservation experts in Trinity College Library have used special techniques to preserve these damaged diary fragments dated from 1806 and 1807. They portray a very different Dorothea now in significant distress and anguish and mistreated by her family she says.

Diary entry Thursday 13th August 1807 

“I was again this morning dragged  upstairs and laid with brutal violence  on the floor of my Bedchamber fortunately  I happened to be stronger for such an attack as I was the other day  else I am certain I would have died  under the usage I received  Every vein in my arm is starting  and Covered over with black bruises from his Iron grasp.  A Shameless set of people looking on Unmoved My Lady housemaid indeed interfered so far as to help him to drag me up and then so condescending  as to bid me be quiet – his hardened old mother  and sisters were totally unmoved.”

Listen here to Aideen Wylde as Dorothea Herbert 1806 Chapter 142nd Retrospections of an Outcast >>

  

Giving Voice To Dorothea

Actor Aideen Wylde

In the documentary her words are brought to life by Tipperary actor Aideen Wylde reading several anecdotes from the Retrospections that Herbert writes about so beautifully and also some of her later more distressing diary extracts. Some are comical, others distressing and sad. What is striking is how violence, specifically domestic violence against women, was commonplace at all levels of society in the late 1700s early 1800s.

1804 Chapter 139th Violence against Sophy her sister 

“Sophy before her marriage went to Knockgrafton to settle what Tythe Money was due  before she commenced Bride for she had always assisted in settling the Parish Affaires -The important Day arrived – we had the large Party to Dinner and a much larger one in the evening – the Bride looked very handsome and her settlement caused universal joy. The Young Couple remained here until all matters were arranged for their Reception at Ballina – but his mother dying soon after both Father and Son fell into a strange, straggling kind of life – They quarreled with this family about Money Matters – and his Young Wife seldom saw him – She had however the joy of bringing him and Heir christened Ambrose Mandeville – Her fondness for the Child made her more quietly bear the injurious conduct of her Husband – She went to settle at Ballina but his Brutality soon obliged her to return – He often came to beg pardon, but as often Offended and all her friends advised her to keep safe under the paternal roof.”

Sound Engineer Pat Wall during Aideen Wylde’s recording

Expert Contributors

Dr Jane Maxwell Trinity College Dublin.

Background information, context and explanation of the works of Herbert come from Dr Jane Maxwell Manuscripts Curator, Library and Archives Research Collections in Trinity College Dublin.  The manuscript is written in Dorothea’s own handwriting and is foolscap size. As an historian and expert on women’s history and the writings of Herbert Dr Maxwell brings insight and historical social context to the documentary and most of all fascination and enthusiasm.

Dr Mary Breen University College Cork

Dr Mary Breen from the School of English UCC is featured. Dr Breen did her Oxford Doctoral Thesis on Dorothea Herbert and is an expert on women writers in Ireland of the period. She talks about Dorothea’s gifted literary visual and comedic style and how it is obvious that she was widely read. She also talks about how she was received in different ways by other writers

Both Maxwell and Breen discuss whether the character of John Roe was a real or imaginary lover of Herbert’s or a literary device she uses to explain herself to her family.

Anne Tannam Creative Writing Coach

Also featured is poet Anne Tannam who teaches journaling for creativity and mental health. This is to show how Herbert used journaling and diary keeping as a wellspring for creative writing and poetry and as a way of keeping a handle on her mental health which suffered serious decline in her later years.

Johnny Fitzpatrick 

Local Herbert enthusiast Johnny Fitzpatrick adds local knowledge and insight and is a true fan of Herberts. He was recorded in the grounds of Carrick on Suir Church of Ireland where the Herbert family plot is located. atmosphere and help deliver the story in a rich audio texture.

Thanks to The Late Frances Finnegan

We would have liked to interview the late Frances Finnegan author of ‘Introspections the Poetry and Private World of Dorothea Herbert’ but were unable to due to Coid restrictions at the time of recording. Her book is available from Congrave Press 

Produced Written and Presented by Angie Mezzetti

All parts of Dorothea The Doozy are woven together with voiced links written and performed by Angie Mezzetti, researcher, writer, presenter and producer.

Photographer Paul Sherwood paul@sherwood.ie

Additional research Nina Mullen

Nina Mullen Radio Student and Sound Engineer Patrick Wall in DFEi state of the art recording studio.

Music from 18th Century 

Music was a major part of Dorothea Herbert’s life and she refers to music from the era both nationally, internationally and from the locality. Herbert who was a singer and played piano and harpsichord and the family had a live-in music teacher and singer Mrs O’Hara. Music referred to by Herbert including baroque favourites are used in the documentary feature.

Tracks include

Push About The Jorum

Gramachree Grà mo croí

The Soldier Tir’d

Handel’s oratorio

The Beggar’s Opera ‘Over the hills and far away’.

She’s Got This, You Got This

Wealthiher’s Global Summit guest speaker AngelaMezzetti

She’s Got This, You Got This

Are you one of those who is better at giving advice than following it? I hate to admit it but I am. I have been working in the communications business for years and have done live TV and radio and also weekly podcasts. So when I was asked to moderate a panel for Wealthiher’s Global Summit ‘She’s Got This’, on Leading with Impact for women, I surprised myself that my immediate reflex was one of mild terror. I think it was the word ‘Global’ that did it. One of my ‘go to’ pieces of communications advice to others, especially women, is ‘always say yes to invitations to speak‘ just say Yes, hang up and then panic. Those opportunities do not come every day. I knew I was experiencing that sense of dread which I hadn’t felt for a while. I hadn’t done anything Global before so I had to do a serious bit of self-talk to gear myself up for it. Glad to say I eventually took a long breath, said yes, trusted that they knew what they were doing by asking me in the first place and then started to prepare.

Authentic You
When people are asked to take part in panels or to do an interview on radio, TV or a podcast, they can be filled with anxiety and with dread, so much so that they think ‘this isn’t worth it’. Their first thought often is ‘well I know someone else who would be better than me’. This happens to men as well as women, but seemingly women are more likely to say ‘no’ initially to an invitation and for a variety of reasons. At a ‘Women On Air’ event a few years ago the head of news in RTE at the time, said they were committed to getting more women experts on news and current affairs programmes but that sometimes it was an uphill battle. He said even when they called up expert women to comment on an area of their expertise, the woman was reluctant to say yes initially, citing everything from childcare issues or a need to get their hair done or deferring to a male colleague. Fear and anxiety too might often have been in there but it would not be acknowledged upfront even to the person themselves. He went on to say that when they call on a male expert, the response tends to go more like, ‘yes sure, what time do you want me there and what is the topic’. There is nothing wrong with this response but the difference in the typical reaction of men and women often reflects the way women and girls are raised. Men and boys are used to pitching, trying and trying again. Women and girls are raised to wait to be asked, and to not seem to be ‘too keen’. For both men and women though, there are fears about performing in public that may be deep seated and rooted in an earlier ‘traumatic experience’.

Common Fears
The fears list can be a long one, but usually includes the following in the mix;

‘I don’t know enough’, ‘I will make a mistake on live radio’, ‘my colleagues will think ‘who does she think she is’’, ‘I have a terrible voice’ or ‘I hate the sound of my own voice’, ‘I would be too nervous’, or ‘I did one of these before and the social media attacks I got were vicious’. These are fears and usually not grounded in reality. If you are asked to do an interview it is usually because the person has done their research and believes you are the right person so trust them and park the nerves. If you answer ‘no’ you leave the field to others who may not know as much as you. Another interviewee may even have  an agenda which would not necessarily accord with your values. Your fears often surface to try to protect you from a feeling that is no longer valid.

Make A List
The advice I give is to take a long hard look at your list, write it down and think of the flipside, about what is on the plus side.

  • Think about things like who can I help by explaining an aspect of my knowledge that there may be confusion around.
  • Value your voice as a powerful tool that can change lives.
  • Consider that there needs to be ‘more voices like mine’ heard on air.
  • I can be a role model for the lack of diversity I see on TV and hear on radio.
  • This will add to my skill set and my colleagues will be proud to say they work with me and that I gave our side of the story or that missing piece of information.
  • Best of all my family will be so proud of me.

Welcome the Buzz
This is easier said than done I know, but when you decide to say yes to those invites and to feel the fear and do it anyway, you will get the courage and support you need, maybe even a bit of a buzz. You do have to trust yourself. You do have to listen to that little voice, your inner protector that is warning you about all of the things that could go wrong, but you have to make that a two way conversation in your head. You have to think ‘I hear you protector voice, but that was then, this is now and I GOT THIS.

The panel I had the pleasure to moderate on Leading With Impact went out on the Global Summit organised by Wealthiher on aThursday afternoon. All went really well. I got to talk with and hear from Gabrielle Branson, Deputy CEO, Kleinwort Hambros, Nancy Curtin, CIO Alvarium Investments and Helen Jones, Partner, BDO LLP and they are all fantastic with amazing insights into the new reality of working from home and managing all the juggling.

‘Saucy Mistress Boldface’

‘Saucy Mistress Boldface’ Lyric Feature Easter Sunday 6pm RTE Lyric fm 4th April 2021

Dr Jane Maxwell was giving a talk in Trinity in 2019 entitled ‘Dear Giddy Brat’ to Friends of the Library and Trinity Women Graduates. It was about a very precious collection of letters held in the college library which are a unique Georgian window into life in Ireland in the 1740s and 50s. These letters were written by the Church Of Ireland Bishop of Elphin, Edward Synge to his only surviving child of six children, a teenage daughter Alicia. His wife Jane Curtis had also died, so there were just the two of them when the letters were written and they chart her growth to womanhood.

This daughter Alicia was very precious and the letters illustrate a deep and affectionate relationship between father and daughter which is unexpected from a Church of Ireland high ranking Bishop. There is much teasing and banter between them. His affection for her trips off every page. He calls he Dear Miss Slyboots, his little bee, Dear Giddy Brat, Boldface, Huzzy, Saucy, Mistress and Mumper when she has toothache. He is totally preoccupied with her health and that of his servants. Given the earlier deaths of his wife and five children this is understandable and also accounts for his enthusiastic involvement with Mercers’ Hospital where he was on the board.

The BAI had put out a call for radio documentaries on women’s stories so this was a good story fit for the Lyric Feature. Little detail is known about women’s lives in 18th century Ireland so even though we don’t have the daughter’s letters, the bishop’s give an insight into Alicia’s life throughout her adolescence. Her education, what she thinks about, the books she is reading, what she ate and wore and her various ailments are revealed through the father’s side of the correspondence. He also talks about his servants and particularly his housekeeper Mrs Heap in Roscommon “who lies about all day pretending to darn.”


Witnessing History
The letters had been safely kept by the descendants of Alicia and later donated to Trinity College by Marie Louise Legg one her descendants. Every corner of the letters was written on, afterthoughts often written into the margins. There was zero waste of paper.

Jane Maxwell drew attention to the frequent corrections of spellings and grammar the bishop makes to Alicia. While pernickety, only for these, the letters probably would not have survived. Jane Maxwell explained that they were like a manual for his daughter on how to live her life, a business lesson, teaching her how to write letters, manage servants, to talk to her doctor about things like periods – which he does using French and how to run the house.

These letters were the Bishop’s only way of communicating with Alicia when he was living in Elphin, his diocese where he spent the summer months. We hear echoes of her voice and her opinions on things like child marriage, which was common at the time and they converse about gossip and the price of important things like chocolate. She had a live-in female companion Blandine Jourdan, a woman from a Huguenot family, who was employed to guide her and teach her French and she is frequently mentioned and addressed in the letters.

Handel’s Music and Mercer’s Hospital

Music was an important aspect of life for the bishop in his public and private life. Dr Triona O’Hanlon, violinist and musical historian, talks about this aspect in her contributions to the documentary. She discovered references to Bishop Synge in the part-books of musical concerts in the Mercer’s Hospital concert and administration records. Bishop Synge had corresponded with Handel who had spent time in Dublin and his concerts were an important source of funds for Mercers. Hospitals were always expensive to build and fund in Dublin.

In the summer of 2020 I finally got my hands on a copy of the letters printed in hardback from my local library. There are 221 letters written between 1746 and 1752 and there are almost as many orange ‘post-its’ on various pages where I discovered more quirky facts and descriptions. The biggest challenge was whittling all that down to 43 minutes. I dip into the book from time to time and never cease to discover something new. There are daily weather reports, gossip about engagements and marriages, and reports of who is ill with what and who has recovered.

Gossip
At one point October 1752 the bishop writes to her with a really juicy bit of gossip about an older man of fifty, running off to Bristol with a fifteen year old, leaving a first wife and several children behind who were certain to be ruined.

Having learned that the man…
‘is drowned and his fair one with him, I don’t find anyone sorry, ‘ …he remarks.

Melons, Grapes Apricots in Pre Potato Ireland
What is stunning from what Dr Maxwell says, is that this is pre potato Ireland and yet they grew melons, apricots, grapes and pineapples in greenhouses in Kevin Street. Dr Maxwell says they grew exotic fruit not only to consume but to show how well off they were and for gift giving.

The Finery
There are references to fashions, hairstyles and buying fabric for Alicia’s new suit dress. Over the course of several letters he talks about buying her a new dress but nothing too flash, she was a Church of Ireland Bishop’s daughter after all. Alex Ward of the National Museum also talks in the documentary about the new fashion of silver and gold threads in fabric.

Giving A Voice to the Bishop
What really brings the letters to life are the way they are read by actor Simon Coury in the role of the bishop. The words committed to the page by a feather plume in 1750 could be the sentiment of any doting dad of his girl today. The language maybe a little archaic but the sentiment is as fresh and heartfelt as it would be today. He is always encouraging her to be herself, to improve her writing, not to be a slave to fashion and work on her self-esteem although he says it in his own way.

In one of the letters from May 29th 1752 as he draws to a close he writes:

“Learn then to be a better. You have opportunitys (sic) enough: and remember my old Aphorism. Many things are not done because thought not possible to do. If I thought you incapable of improvement I would not exhort you to fruitless attempts. God Bless you, and your companions. I am my Dear Girl – Yours & c Edw:Elphin”

 

Dear Giddy Brat/ Saucy Mistress Boldface is being broadcast on Sunday 4th April 2021 Easter Sunday at 6pm as the Lyric Feature on RTE Lyricfm

Produced and Presented by Angie Mezzetti
Sound editing Patrick Wall

Contributors Dr Jane Maxwell Assistant Librarian
Manuscripts & Archives
Research Collections
The Library of Trinity College Dublin
Dr Triona O’Hanlon Violinist and Music Historian
Alex Ward Keeper Art and Industrial National Museum of Ireland
Simon Coury Actor and voice of the Bishop of Elphin Edward Synge